Bylo Selhi wrote:Some $70M is AWOL. There's no explanation. I think it's safe to assume it wasn't just accidentally misplaced in some suspense account. Agreed that we don't know exactly what happened. That's why I said "malfeasance" rather than "embezzlement."
I'm making no conclusions Bylo. It was also printed that three different auditors saw nothing wrong with the books. That doesn't make sense - but that's only because we don't have enough information to make sense of it. I interpreted your use of the word malfeasance, taken in the context of your many past threads, as blaming the fund industry. In fact, we don't know where the system failed and if it something outside of the industry - i.e. audit.
Bylo Selhi wrote:It's still most likely an act of malfeasance by a fiduciary. It further tarnishes the industry. The distinction between direct or indirect will I imagine be lost on most people, especially those who lost money as a result.
Neither you nor most of the people that frequent this forum are "most people", hence my effort to make the distinction. True, people who lose money simply want to be made whole - understandably. But when trying to determine fault and in designing ways to ensure this is not repeated the arguments I've been making are relevant. But we're talking hypotheticals at this point because we just don't have enough info.
Bylo Selhi wrote:Ditto. It further tarnishes the industry and any such distinctions will be lost on most people, especially those who lost money as a result.
See my above response.
Bylo Selhi wrote:Why only ETFs? Aren't mutual funds in the same situation?
I single out ETFs because you are generally critical of the fund industry but sing the praises of ETFs. I just wanted to point out that the same could probably happen to an ETF.
Bylo Selhi wrote:But we know that many actively-managed funds, including conservatively-managed ones, held these stocks when the music stopped, so active management offers no guarantee against such losses either.
I'm not talking about funds holding shares in dirty companies. That happens to both passive and active managers. I'm talking about the potential for things like embezzlement in an ETF structure.
But, just for the record, I can't think of any "conservatively managed" equity fund that was caught holding a bunch of shares of some high level corporate scandal. At least I can't think of any. Bre-X, YBM, Cartaway, Nortel, etc. The closest I can come up with is Sceptre Equity Growth - which was caught with YBM Magnex when the Russian mob connection was confirmed but I'm not sure one would have considered that fund - then considered a small cap fund - "conservative".
Do you know of any that I've perhaps forgotten rather conveniently?
