Mutual funds' Martin Luther

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Mutual funds' Martin Luther

Postby Bylo Selhi » 16Oct2006 08:40

Mutual funds' Martin Luther [my emphasis]
Renegade advisor John De Goey has just published the second edition of his book, The Professional Financial Advisor II. Like the original, it's a call to action to move the mutual fund industry away from commissions and trailer fees to a fee-based or fee-only model. Bulkier than the first edition of three years ago, the updated version sports a catchier subtitle: "How the financial services industry hides the ugly truth."

Which is? In De Goey's opinion, it's that stock picking and actively managed mutual funds add no value to investors. But it's precisely such funds that use "embedded compensation" to pay advisors handsomely -- in the form of upfront commissions and annual trailer commissions. He likens these payments to "bribes" that taint the advice dispensed. Yes, he actually uses the term on page 233, adding that the dictionary definition of bribe is "something given or promised to a person to influence conduct."

As long as this state of affairs exists, he believes the financial advice "industry" cannot be called a true "profession" the way law, medicine or accounting can be. He wants FSPs (he uses the term financial service providers throughout) to "unbundle" parts (financial products) and labour (advice). Clients would be presented with a monthly or yearly invoice for services rendered...


And on Altamira's new wrap program:
Speaking of embedded compensation, a new fund wrap program unveiled by Altamira is being aimed at advisors. There is some irony here. Back in its heyday -- before it was acquired by National Bank -- the no-load fund company was a thorn in the side of independent advisors.

Frank Mersch's Altamira Equity Fund used to regularly outperform other Canadian equity funds. It was amusing to see fund salespeople downplay Mersch's stock-picking prowess. Back then, Altamira sold direct to consumers, paying a modest 25 basis points trailer to the rare advisors who recommended them.

Now things have come full circle. Altamira has unveiled the Meritage Portfolios, a mutual fund wrap account aimed at the same advisors who used to scorn Altamira. But, as with most bank-owned wraps, advisor comp is well beyond what Altamira paid out when it was independent... Unlike Franklin Templeton's Quotential, Meritage tacks on extra fees above and beyond the MERs of the underlying funds, most of which go to advisors. Commissions range from 22 to 53 basis points above the weighted trailer of the underlying funds, Meritage says.

Naturally, this buys advisors and investors all sorts of goodies, such as fund monitoring and rebalancing.

So if these funds include "all sorts of goodies" like "fund monitoring and rebalancing," then why are the trailers on the FE load versions 25% higher than the standard 1%? Shouldn't they be substantially lower than 1% because the advisor is relieved from doing a lot of the work for which those trailers are supposed to be compensation?
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Postby NormR » 16Oct2006 13:06

How much does De Goey charge?
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Postby Bylo Selhi » 16Oct2006 13:10

RTFA
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Postby Rip » 16Oct2006 14:31

I recall (some time ago) seeing a fee schedule that started at 1.4% on the first 250k or so, and then declining from that point based on assets. It struck me as high at the time. The article seems to imply a starting level of 1%.

De Goey seems a little self righteous for my taste. Particularly in light of his past affinity for the Optima Strategy Wrap program.
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Postby Shakespeare » 16Oct2006 14:34

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Postby NormR » 16Oct2006 15:02

Bylo Selhi wrote:RTFA


A little rude considering the slight mention given to his fee (a supposedly typical case is mentioned in passing). I also don't see the 'all in' figure (advice + investment fees).
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Postby Bylo Selhi » 16Oct2006 16:28

NormR wrote:
Bylo Selhi wrote:RTFA
A little rude

Not at all. It stands for "Read The Fine Article." It's a common term that gets used frequently at sites like SlashDot without anyone taking offense.

considering the slight mention given to his fee (a supposedly typical case is mentioned in passing). I also don't see the 'all in' figure (advice + investment fees).
Considering that you're a competitor of his, I don't think it's appropriate for you to try to enlist the assistance of FWF members in doing your competitive analysis :P ;)
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Postby NormR » 16Oct2006 17:00

Bylo Selhi wrote:
NormR wrote:
Bylo Selhi wrote:RTFA
A little rude

Not at all. It stands for "Read The Fine Article." It's a common term that gets used frequently at sites like SlashDot without anyone taking offense.


:lol:

Bylo Selhi wrote:
considering the slight mention given to his fee (a supposedly typical case is mentioned in passing). I also don't see the 'all in' figure (advice + investment fees).
Considering that you're a competitor of his, I don't think it's appropriate for you to try to enlist the assistance of FWF members in doing your competitive analysis :P ;)


Ah, but we don't claim to be competitive for small accounts.

In any event, I'm more interested in how many bp separate the 'saints' from the 'sinners'. 50bp, 100bp?

Is non-commissioned advice worth 50bp more than commissioned advice or only 5bp more?

De Goey mentions that keeping people invested is worth 200+bp. So are advisors using DSCs doing investors a service? How much is it worth? +200bp for the DSC - 50bp for the commission?

Feel free to fill in your own #s. :)
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Postby Rip » 16Oct2006 17:08

Considering that you're a competitor of his, I don't think it's appropriate for you to try to enlist the assistance of FWF members in doing your competitive analysis :P ;)


Why not? The fee structure of the industry seems a regular topic of discussion around here. Or does De Goey enjoy protected status in these parts?
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Postby yielder » 16Oct2006 19:28

Rip wrote:Why not? The fee structure of the industry seems a regular topic of discussion around here. Or does De Goey enjoy protected status in these parts?


Feel free to do whatever analysis you want. No one is "protected" in these parts. :wink:
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Postby Bylo Selhi » 16Oct2006 20:22

Rip wrote:Why not?
You did notice the :P ;) I hope.

The fee structure of the industry seems a regular topic of discussion around here. Or does De Goey enjoy protected status in these parts?
What Yielder said unless De Goey made the poster sign a non-disclosure agreement ;)
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