





See also:Answers.com wrote:First Trust Advisors’ approach to investing identifies underlying factors that have historically outperformed the stock market over long periods of time utilizing the FTA Proprietary Valuation ModelTM. Once a strategy is explicitly defined in terms of its underlying factors, it is backtested to determine historical risk/return characteristics relevant to a specific benchmark.The result is a disciplined investment approach that consistently applies strategies which are based on rational methods of selecting stocks and historical relationships in the market.

Bylo Selhi wrote:Why should fundamental indexing be any different?
And even if it is different, why should we jump on the bandwagon now based only on backtested data?
Should we not wait a few years to see if these techniques work out in the real world, after disclosure of methods, after fees, after turnover, after taxes, etc?




$seeker wrote:Bylo Selhi is correct on Fiest Trust
I have held their Dogs of Dow portfolio and the Pharma trust for toooo long and they were both dogs .
In fact, you'd be riding high all around. This year, the Dogs are whipping just about every index out there. The surging Dow Jones industrial average, the Dogs' main benchmark, might have been up 15% at the end of October. But the Dogs were showing a return of almost 30%.

Mighta, cudda, shudda, etc. But in any case that speaks only to the Dow Dogs. The First Trust portfolios invested in a lot of other "back-tested" stuff, both domestically and overseas. If they were even half as much a "sure thing" as the advertising suggested then you'd think we'd be seeing their impressive performance stats in newspaper and magazine ads now. But alas, we don't. Hmmm....NormR wrote:Might have been the fees & currency ...

Bylo Selhi wrote:Mighta, cudda, shudda, etc. But in any case that speaks only to the Dow Dogs. The First Trust portfolios invested in a lot of other "back-tested" stuff, both domestically and overseas. If they were even half as much a "sure thing" as the advertising suggested then you'd think we'd be seeing their impressive performance stats in newspaper and magazine ads now. But alas, we don't. Hmmm....NormR wrote:Might have been the fees & currency ...
As for the fees, IIRC they were lower than conventional DSC funds. Besides, according to the impressive back-tested data, the outperformance was supposed to be several percentage points better than the benchmarks, so the usual "fees don't necessarily matter" industry [s]mantra[/s]bullshit must have undoubtedly held, eh?




parvus wrote:Durn Taggart,
You're spoiling tomorrow's read for the ink-stained wretches like me.



parvus wrote:
(Since I'm a religious NYT reader, I was dumbfounded I hadn't seen that article, till I looked at the publication date!)


Outperformance Results
MSCI Global Outperformance
World 100
1 year 10% 23% 13.46%
3 year 19% 25% 5.47%
5 year 3% 10% 7.11%
Bylo Selhi wrote:Yet another way to index fundamentally: The Global 100 Most Sustainable Corporations in the World
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Outperformance Results
MSCI Global Outperformance
World 100
1 year 10% 23% 13.46%
3 year 19% 25% 5.47%
5 year 3% 10% 7.11%
I don't see an ETF that tracks this index. Perhaps this is an opportunity for RAFI, PowerShares, Claymore, etc.

Maciek wrote:Have you checked out the PDF describing the methodology?

You want the fuzzy? You can't handle the fuzzy!!! From IndexUniverse last week, excerpt:Maciek wrote:Bylo Selhi wrote:Yet another way to index fundamentally: The Global 100 Most Sustainable Corporations in the World
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Outperformance Results
MSCI Global Outperformance
World 100
1 year 10% 23% 13.46%
3 year 19% 25% 5.47%
5 year 3% 10% 7.11%
I don't see an ETF that tracks this index. Perhaps this is an opportunity for RAFI, PowerShares, Claymore, etc.
Have you checked out the PDF describing the methodology? Some of the fundamentals seem kinda, well, "fuzzy" :)
Amazingly: "IndexIQ says these intangible attributes... represent many of the strongest drivers of... equity returns."IndexIQ: Indexing Intangibles
In one of the more unusual ETF filings in recent months (and that’s saying something), a group called IndexIQ has filed for 20 new ETFs that try to take indexing in a whole new direction. Rather than being based on traditional market factors like market capitalization, or even more specific targets like “growth,” “value,” or dividend payouts, the IndexIQ ETFs will track indexes based on what might be called "intangibles”: measures like "Innovation," Power" and "Most Productive."
The funds included in the filing are:
IndexIQ Most Innovative Companies All Cap Index
IndexIQ Most Innovative Companies Small Cap Index
IndexIQ Most Powerful Companies Index
IndexIQ Most Powerful Companies Large Cap Index
IndexIQ Fastest Growing Companies All Cap Index
IndexIQ Fastest Growing Large Cap Companies Index
IndexIQ Best Operating Companies All Cap Index
IndexIQ Best Operating Companies Large Cap Index
IndexIQ Most Productive Companies All Cap Index
IndexIQ Most Productive Companies Large Cap Index
IndexIQ Most Elite Workforces All Cap Index
IndexIQ Most Elite Workforces Large Cap Index
IndexIQ Best Corporate Governance All Cap Index
IndexIQ Best Corporate Governance Large Cap Index
IndexIQ Competitive Momentum Leaders All Cap Index
IndexIQ Competitive Momentum Leaders Large Cap Index
IndexIQ Customer Loyalty Leaders All Cap Index
IndexIQ Customer Loyalty Leaders Large Cap Index
IndexIQ Most Sustainable Companies All Cap Index
IndexIQ Most Sustainable Companies Large Cap Index

Bylo Selhi wrote:My theory is that if you float enough ETFs based on enough different "fundamental" criteria, in 10, 15, 20+ years there will very likely be at least one that outperformed the S&P500 or MSCI World or whatever is the most appropriate benchmark. So, as the sponsor of such ETFs, you're almost guaranteed to have at least one winner no matter what.

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