The pitfalls of PPNs- the marketers make most of the money.
And how to "roll your own"
Principal-protected notes are a godsend for fee-loving brokers, but these 'dice are loaded' and can erode your wealth through inflation
Principal-protected notes are a godsend for fee-loving brokers, but these 'dice are loaded' and can erode your wealth through inflation


With derivatives-based PPNs, figuring out what fees are being charged is especially challenging. That's because the fees are factored into the price of the underlying options, so only a derivatives expert can figure it out, said Peter Loach, an independent analyst.

travesty wrote:The flipside is that what you constructed doesn't really work anything like a PPN on the upside. For example, 3-year PPNs are sold with a 60% participation rate - you participate in 60% of the market upside. Let's say you do really well and get 3% p.a. on a 3-year GIC to roll your own PPN. You need to put 91.5 cents of every dollar into the GIC, and have 8.5 left to contribute to the market. If the market goes up 30% total, you'll have 100 + 8.5 * 1.3 = 111.05 cents for every dollar you put in. That's just over an 11% gain. That's a far cry from participating in 60% of the gains! It only gets worse with larger increases (30% is hardly extraordinary - it's about the long term average of the equity markets - granted, including dividends).

marty123 wrote:travesty wrote:The flipside is that what you constructed doesn't really work anything like a PPN on the upside. For example, 3-year PPNs are sold with a 60% participation rate - you participate in 60% of the market upside. Let's say you do really well and get 3% p.a. on a 3-year GIC to roll your own PPN. You need to put 91.5 cents of every dollar into the GIC, and have 8.5 left to contribute to the market. If the market goes up 30% total, you'll have 100 + 8.5 * 1.3 = 111.05 cents for every dollar you put in. That's just over an 11% gain. That's a far cry from participating in 60% of the gains! It only gets worse with larger increases (30% is hardly extraordinary - it's about the long term average of the equity markets - granted, including dividends).
I don't understand your math, but here's the numbers I come up with based on your 91.5%/8.5% mix:
- Have $1000 available
- Put 915 in GIC
- Put 85 in XIU Mar 2012 call with $16 strike price (XIU closed at $16.25) with a $2.20 premium
You have the upswing of about 38 XIU stocks, which have a market value of about $627. That's a 62.7% market participation. There's further opportunity to increase that participation, as the call is only 29 months. Remember that both the PPN (read the prospectus) and the home-made version do not include dividends in their definition of "market participation".
There are possibly other strike prices that are more optimum for the homemade version (less cash in a $17 strike price? Different maturity and more rolls?).
... options and other derivatives the average retail investor has no hope of understanding.


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