
Fee Only Planner wrote:I personally think it likely wouldn't stand up in court.


Norbert Schlenker wrote:I think CRA would challenge this if they see it. It's not invisible - you have to claim the interest on your T1 to get the benefit.
As soon as they see you are borrowing $10k personally, washing it through the business (which in this case is not even a separate legal entity), and then paying $10k against the mortgage on your principal residence, they will deny the deduction. You will go to court to challenge it and even the most laughably naive and incompetent Tax Court will see it as a sham transaction. I believe a real judge would see it the same way, but you never know with judges.![]()
You also have to weigh the possibility of an attempt to impose GAAR, which the judge is almost certain to accede to.
And for what? I realize this is the North Shore, so the average house is worth a million bucks and might have a $500,000 mortgage. Suppose you can make the whole thing deductible using this dubious scheme. There's maybe $30,000 of interest every year, which is worth $13,000 a year max in BC. The typical person interested in this probably has a $200k mortgage, in which case it's worth maybe $5k a year.
IMO, audits and Tax Court and FCA appeals and Supreme Court appeals, with the GAAR hammer looming even if you did win, are neither fun nor free. For a few thousand a year, what's the point?
(Yeah, yeah, I know. This site is all about saving nickels where you can find them. It's also about not entering into dubious schemes where you get to foot the bill for being the test case.)

Norbert Schlenker wrote: You will go to court to challenge it and even the most laughably naive and incompetent Tax Court will see it as a sham transaction. I believe a real judge would see it the same way, but you never know with judges.![]()
You also have to weigh the possibility of an attempt to impose GAAR, which the judge is almost certain to accede to.


I'm thinking of a case where a lawyer (IIRC) removes the partnership capital from his practice

George$ wrote:I'm thinking of a case where a lawyer (IIRC) removes the partnership capital from his practice
It seems to me that using a lawyer's legal practice as an example does not reassure me that I should or want to go down a similar legal path.

Fee Only Planner wrote:
I personally don't think the Lawyer example is has any bearing on the Smith Manoeuvre, especially as it pertains to swaping debt from a proprietor to an individual.



silverfox wrote:I have been using a form of the Smith Manuever ...The result will be stocks currently worth $200,000, a tax deductible loan of $200,000 and a half interest in a house worth $200,000.
I think (hope) I could weather a stock market meltdown. Any comments/suggestions??


Those funds go to investments and the interest is deductible. That's about as complicated an arrangement as I can manage!
Borrowing for investments including common shares
¶ 31. Where an investment (e.g., interest-bearing instrument or preferred shares) carries a stated interest or dividend rate, the purpose of earning income test will be met "absent a sham or window dressing or similar vitiating circumstances" (Ludco). Further, assuming all of the other requisite tests are met, interest will neither be denied in full nor restricted to the amount of income from the investment where the income does not exceed the interest expense, given the meaning of the term income as discussed in ¶ 10.
Where an investment does not carry a stated interest or dividend rate such as some common shares, the determination of the reasonable expectation of income at the time the investment is made is less clear. Normally, however, the CCRA considers interest costs in respect of funds borrowed to purchase common shares to be deductible on the basis that there is a reasonable expectation, at the time the shares are acquired, that the common shareholder will receive dividends. Nonetheless, each situation must be dealt with on the basis of the particular facts involved.
These comments are also generally applicable to investments in mutual fund trusts and mutual fund corporations.
Example 8
R Corp. is an investment vehicle designed to provide a capital return only to the investors in its common shares. The corporate policy with respect to R Corp. is that dividends will not be paid, that corporate earnings will be reinvested to increase the value of the shares and that shareholders are required to sell their shares to a third-party purchaser in a fixed number of years in order to realize their value. In this situation, it is not reasonable to expect income from such shareholdings and any interest expense on money borrowed to acquire R Corp. shares would not be deductible.
Example 9
S Corp. is raising capital by selling common shares. Its business plans indicate that its cash flow will be required to be reinvested for the foreseeable future and S Corp. discloses to shareholders that dividends will only be paid when operational circumstances permit (i.e., when cash flow exceeds requirements) or when it believes that shareholders could make better use of the cash. In this situation, the purpose of earning income test will generally be met and any interest on borrowed money to acquired S Corp. shares would be deductible.

Use tax software such as QuickTax so you can clearly identify the tax savings attributable to the investment interest deduction and make sure you put that money against the outstanding principal. If you don't identify and direct those tax savings, they have a funny way of disappearing.
First use or current use
¶ 17. Several decisions of the Supreme Court of Canada, notably Canada Safeway, Bronfman Trust and Shell, have made it clear that the relevant use is the current use and not the original use of borrowed money. In determining the current use of borrowed money, taxpayers must establish a link between the money that was borrowed and its current use.
Tracing/linking borrowed money to its current use¶
18. In simple situations where one property is replaced with another, such linking is straightforward. In these situations, the current use of the borrowed money is entirely with respect to the replacement property since all the proceeds of disposition from the original property are reinvested in the replacement property, as was the case in Tennant.
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Disappearing source rules
¶ 19. In general terms, the disappearing source rules in section 20.1 apply where borrowed money ceases to be used for the purpose of earning income (i.e., the borrowed money can no longer be traced to any income earning use). Generally, the borrowed money that is no longer linked to any income earning use is nonetheless deemed to be used for the purpose of earning income such that interest continues to be deductible for that portion of the borrowed money.











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